Supposedly Adults

#19 Am I A Kung Fu Panda? | Illusion of Control, Inner Peace, Planting Seeds

May 29, 2021
Supposedly Adults
#19 Am I A Kung Fu Panda? | Illusion of Control, Inner Peace, Planting Seeds
Show Notes Transcript

"Everybody is Kung Fu fighting~ Your mind becomes fast as lightning~"

Honestly, Kung Fu Panda is such a classic. Every time this song comes on, it'd bring back fond memories... So in this episode, four supposed adults did a movie re-watch and discussed our favourite scenes in the movie, our biggest "woke" moment, the importance of planting good seeds and having good intentions, and many more!

Also, kids, if you want to be successful and never be disappointed, aim lower. While we are at it... why shoot for the star when you can stay humble and grounded, amirite? #wisdom #storyofmylife #thisiswhyiamafailure #sorrymom


Introduction (00:05):
Hi guys, welcome to our podcast. Supposedly Adults, where we are four supposed adults, sharing our "youthful experiences", talking about the most random life topics, giving our thoughts that no one cares about, and just trying to make life suck less. That's right. So I'm Jansen, I'm Melody, this is Calvin, and this is Lyris. And today's random question is, "Am I a kung fu panda?"

Jansen (00:31):
Hello guys. All right. So, uh, to the audience, so right now we are going to do something a bit different from what we usually do. Uh, we have decided as a group to kind of look at some movies and kind of, you know, do some little mental analysis on it. So the movie that we have chosen together is Kung Fu Panda. It's a little old movie, but as it is a good childhood movie. And in fact, I remember, I think it was one of the bigger movie-going experiences in my life because I remember my parents taking me and along with, remember the triplets that we talked about in a previous episode. Yeah. They were there too. And then, yeah, it was fun watching little animals talk, animation and the Chinese background setting as well.

Melody (01:18):
How old were you guys?

Lyris (01:19):
I think we were at 10, right.

Jansen (01:22):
Nine, 10 around that.

Melody (01:23):
I mean, I was a grown person then.

Lyris (01:25):
I remember like watching it that I didn't realize how woke it is. Like it's like full on like, you know, Chinese culture and all that. I didn't realize until like watching it recently.

Melody (01:39):
I want to say now rewatching it like rewatching it, I was expecting a lot of like cliches, like a lot of problematic non-PC stuff, but watching it again it's actually not bad. It's actually a lot better than a lot of the controversial stuff that we have right now. Like the fact that they actually call it Oogway master. Oogway is pretty cool instead of calling it master turtle

Jansen (02:04):
Like they used Chinese, right.

Lyris (02:06):
But also they called the master Shifu, "Master Shifu", which Shifu means master. So it's basically master. So it's kind of like, I mean.....

Jansen (02:17):
I do also remember it being a movie though, a significantly impacted kind of my worldview at a time and kind of carried forward into at least like another decade. So I want to us to begin the topic. Uh, what are you guys' favourite scenes in the movie?

Melody (02:34):
I can go first. Cause my favourite scene is right at the beginning. You know, there was this one point where Oogway being all Zen and stuff, was looking at the pond. And he basically said that "your mind is like this water when it's agitated, it becomes difficult to see, but if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear." The reason why I really, really liked this is because I actually recently got out of a 21-day isolated quarantine by myself in a hotel. Um, I thought I'd be crazy. Like I, I was ready to go mentally ill, um, during the 21 days, because it would be so hard because I'm not, I won't be able to talk to people. I won't be able to see anybody and I'll be trapped in a room without fresh air. And I was, you know, anxious about it going in. But, um, on the last week I'm like patiently waiting for the breaking point, but I actually came out pretty enjoy myself throughout the period of time. And I realized I that living in Hong Kong, being in a very busy hustling bustling city, I realized I haven't really had time to actually sit down and settle down. And I feel like this quarantine allowed me to have a lot of time and space to myself. And I'm able to actually think properly when I'm not constantly bombarded by different distractions.

Jansen (03:53):
I had like the total opposite experience right now. Just this past few days. I'm not even quarantining. I'm just going insane in my room or my friend is isolating and I don't really want to meet anyone while my friend is isolating as well.

Melody (04:07):
I don't know, but I think it might be because you're in the UK. So you get a lot of spaces, like a regular thing. And in Hong Kong, I also live with my family. So it's impossible to get like a three seconds of quietness. Calvin, you wanted to say something?

Calvin (04:22):
Oh no, I'm just, I'm just curious because it's quite contrasting. Like for you, when it's quiet, when it's like really quiet, then you feel like, oh, you find that peace, right. That inner peace. And at that time that you need to settle, but then for Jansen and also me, cause I'm always by myself, sometimes it felt agitated just being so quiet. I just thought that is, that is interesting.

Jansen (04:47):
You too?

Calvin (04:48):
Yeah, absolutely.

New Speaker (04:49):
Like the quote, I kind of need to focus and looked to make sure the water is still, if not in my mind would just be automatically agitated. You know?

Calvin (04:58):
Exactly. Like sometimes it's so quiet where like, oh my God, this is too quiet. Like what is happening here? And then because of that, like kind of stir up the water, you know how like sometimes focus so hard. Let's say you're holding a cup of water. You're focused so hard. Try not to like spill it when walking.

Lyris (05:18):
Oh my god, that's me! Before I am a 22 year old grown grown-ass woman. I cannot hold a cup of water for my dear life. I genuinely cannot. I tried different ways. This is really, it's like full on, like, even if you're like super focused and then your hands are shaking, and I tried the other way of not focusing and be like trust in your own body and just walk, still spilled everywhere. Anyway. Sorry.

Melody (05:47):
You see the thing is right. This is the kind of the extreme, because I always see this as like a cleanup, right? Because usually whenever there's trash, you kind of just it under the couch, into the carpet. And when you're being able to settle down and when you clear your mind, it kind of helps you clear out all these trash from under the couch as well. So now you see it now you, you know, uncover it. That's why you feel a lot more agitated. So you really need to clear out everything to be able to, you know, see your face in that water reflection. So I don't know. I just feel very related to that quote.

Lyris (06:24):
Or I think can we, like, if we like continue to use that analogy of the water thing, it's kind of like, like the water's always agitated, right? Then you cannot see your own reflection. So you don't realize how busted you look, for example, until, until the water is like clear and calm and you see yourself in the mirror, you're like, oh gosh, I look horrible. Like I should've been doing something about it. Right. But then you're like, oh, I just, I want to avoid it. And like agitate the water again. So I don't see how ugly I look. Right. But if you like, let yourself calm a bit and you see yourself like, oh gosh, I really need to wash my hair. Okay, I'll go wash my hair then maybe.

Calvin (07:02):
Yeah. That's a great point. So I guess kind of like what we've been always been saying, like, I guess, and again, Buddhism always say continuously to find ways to get that awareness of like something, I don't know, like something's happening or something or some bad habits that you pick up and then once you're aware of it and then you can start, I guess, addressing those issues or things like that. That is actually a great analogy. Like you don't know, I guess you don't know how ugly you are until you look in the mirror or something like that. That's a good point. That's a good point. That was good. But I don't think there's any way I can change how I look though. I am ugly, so it doesn't really matter. I guess.

Melody (07:44):
What's your favorite scene, Calvin?

Calvin (07:46):
Uh, my favorite scene is actually the other scene is, um, the peach tree scene and it's kind of related, uh, because yeah. Uh, so basically I guess there's, there's multiple quotes that I really like. I know the first one I got is, you know, like how Oogway and Shifu they're talking and talking about, how, "in order to fulfill like the destiny of the Panda, you really need to let go of the illusion of control," right? And then Shifu is like, "what illusion are you talking about?" And Oogway was like, "well, look at this peach tree. Like I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before it's time", saying that, you know, there, there's no way you can control when the fruit is coming or whatever. So I thought that was really cool. Because like, I guess in a lot of ways, a lot of times, um, I'm very impatient. I'm trying to rush things. Right. And then, you know, like also, and then when it fails, let's say I'm trying to be a better person, but whenever I hit like the first obstacle or notice like, oh, I make the first two mistakes, I'll be very devastated right away. And I kind of, you know what, I don't think I'll ever be good. I don't think can do anything. But I guess it's, again, it's all about trusting the process. Like, you know, how you just make tiny, tiny, tiny little steps every single day, uh, instead of rushing it. So I, when I first, when I re watch it before this podcast, recording this podcast, it's kinda just strikes me how it's so relatable, um, in that way.

New Speaker (09:15):
Um, yeah, absolutely. The illusion of control thing reeling back to later in the movie, I think later in the scene, in fact, uh, Oogway actually release this, this illusion of control because he knows he is actually a barrier to shift for himself. So in a Jedi fashion disappear with the peach leaves, that sort of way. Uh, after he left, Shifu was actually able to finally deal with the problem that yet created and then help them find inner peace in the second movie.

Melody (09:47):
Yeah. That's actually a good point. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't think about that. I think that's a, that's a really good point. And I think that is also similar to what you guys said. Right? I think it's not, you know, quiet, having quiet time is not important. It's the inner peace that allows you to actually settle the water. Yeah. Hashtag everything is connected.

New Speaker (10:06):
Yeah. This is definitely one of Dreamworks best movie or better movies. Yeah.

Melody (10:12):
And it's timeless. It's 2021 now.

Calvin (10:16):
Even more relatable now. Because of the pandemic pandemic, everybody is stuck at home. Then you know, you really get that time to yourself in a way. If you really want, I guess you want to find that inner peace or like the time to quiet down and things like that. So it was kind of even more relatable in a way than when I was younger because younger, you don't really think, oh, I didn't really think about anything.

Melody (10:39):
No, but it's but tell me more though, like, why do you like that scene so much? How does that hit you?

Calvin (10:46):
In a way we always felt like we always have control over our own lives. Right? You're like, oh, I control what I want to do. I control, you know, I control my own happiness. I control how I feel. I control, you know, I always try to have control over myself, I guess, right. In a way, um, because that's what we wanted to do, because we make certain decisions, you always feel like you have control over everything, but in a way you don't really, you don't, um, you just kinda need...... Things sometimes just happen. And, uh, it's the illusion of control that, oh, I can control everything and yet, and then to a point where you realize, oh, actually, you know what, I don't have control. And then you started to, you started to become, I guess, more depressing, uh, in a way, because you felt like, you know, everything's out of my control, but you know, in a way it's actually, it was things are never in your control. You just kind of, you just kind of follow the flow in a way you, you know, that's, I dunno.

Lyris (11:47):
Well, no, actually I just kinda kind of have like a question. Right. Cause I understand the idea illusion of control. Right. But like, just as like, Shifu also challenged this. Right. He's like, he was like, oh, but I can control some things. Right. Like if I can control, like I can hit the peach and I can like destroy it. Right. This is something that I can control. So then like how do you balance that? Like in a sense that, then is it, then that I don't have to do anything or I can't change the result anyway, so am I just not going to do it?

Jansen (12:21):
No, I don't have a particular answer to that specific question, but I remember I was wiser in understanding, interpreting this quote when I was younger or when I was like a teenager and we watched the movie, then it just that, oh my God, this is amazing. I'm going to be a 14. And like, woke. Yeah. Uh, when I was younger, I realized that, okay, if I use that analogy, uh, if I want a peach, I, and I have no idea what seeds that actually bear this particular fruit or bear this particular outcome. The only thing I can do as a person or at that stage would be to keep planting the seed. I'll keep planting different seeds and hoping that one thing will grow that kind of thing. Some of them will be bad seeds and, you know, they might just die. And then some of them may go into an apple, orange and they might be a good outcomes, maybe not the best, but it will help sustain my hunger as I await for the particular peach. So it's that kind of thing. So like, uh, so when I was younger, that quote, I think it was more applicable and more straightforward when I'm talking about schoolwork, because it's a very, in a way it's very linear, the harder you work in your schoolwork, you don't really have to think about all the external factors just need to focus on schoolwork. And then you just keep grinding, keep doing practice papers. And eventually you'll get to a comfortable place where, okay, I have my peach, that kind of thing. And it's okay to, it took me quite a while to get it. What matters is that I have gotten and I've made the effort to keep planting again and again, until I reached them, it's difficult for different people because, you know, probability of the seeds that you plant and then everything is very difficult to keep track. And maybe, you know, you keep planting apples and some people have, um, uh, just unfortunate in that sense. But, uh, so when I was younger, it was clear to me, okay, hard work that goes to plant more seeds equals to, you will bear fruit at the end. However, I've just kind of gotten a bit muddled up. So maybe back to the water thing, it kind of got a bit muddled up when I grew older. And then I, now there are a lot of different external factors, any kind of wonder, you know, is it.

Melody (14:36):
no, I think, I think that's, that's definitely a very good way to put it, but um, to me how I understand this again on the peach thing is if I do really want peach now, I will go to the shop and look for it. So there are, let's say five supermarkets in my neighborhood. I'll go to all five to look for peach. If I find it, perfect. But if I don't, I don't, I don't become devastated. And I don't become so attached that I want to look for peach in every single supermarket in the entire country. I think that is I kind of how I see it is you do your best and you cannot control the result of it. There are, as Jansen said, there are gazillion different external factors, maybe it's sold out. Maybe it's not in season. Maybe there was like a drought somewhere. You know, there are billions of reasons to why you cannot find that peach, but as long as you've made the effort and you've tried it, then don't be too obsessed over the results. That's kind of how I see in and how I interpreted it.

Lyris (15:39):
Yeah. And I think also that kind of relates to another quote from the same scene, which is like, um, uh, when Shifu was like, "oh, I have bad news." And then Oogway replied with, "there is no good news or bad news, there's only news." So I guess like the very like literal translation of it, it's kind of like, oh, it depends on how you see it. You know, like things are things, it's just depends on how you project your own emotion to it. But I also kind of think it also relates to what Melody was saying before. Like it's just how the result is because we can see a result at this moment and be like, oh, I, I wanted peaches and I didn't get peaches. Then that means that this is a bad news. I didn't get what I want. This is a bad result. The end, I'm really sad. But the thing is the good news or bad news, or like the good result or bad result. You never know whether it is definitely good or definitely bad until like far in the future. Right. Because you never know, things changes every single second. It could be good news at this moment. And then tomorrow you realize that it was actually really bad for you, vice versa. So it's kind of like the analogy is kind of like I thought of one is kind of like, oh, when you plant it like a peach, uh, planted a seed and it became like a tree and you're really happy. And it like, it blooms like a flower and you're like, oh, this is great news. My seed became a flower. And then it kind of, it kind of died after a few days and you're like, oh gosh, this is bad news. But then the dead flower kind of like transform into like a seed into the peaches, then you realize it's good news. So even within days, there are good news, bad news, good news, bad news. So you never know until far into the future. So I think that's what we can always think of when we have the result to know that it's ever changing.

Calvin (17:24):
No, this, this got me thinking, like you talk about the, then I don't know. It's kinda conflicting then. Because we were talking about how there's illusion of control. Everything's out of control. But at the same time right now, you're literally talking about controlling your thoughts, talking about perspective, talking about understanding there's more things or there's always a cycle. That's how you controlling your mind. Right. You know what I mean? So that's kind of conflicting,

Melody (17:50):
I dont think it's conflicting in a way, because if you go back to the quote that Oogway said, it's actually, you know, "you cannot control when it blossoms, but all you can do is plant it and nurture it." So planting it and nurturing it. It's something that you can do. It's something you can, you have control over. So I think the point here is, you know, you work hard on whatever thing you can control, but admit and accept the fact that there are things that you cannot control and don't let that part bother you.

Jansen (18:20):
I think it was a difficult part where people maybe struggling to grasp what I'm trying to grasp. But I do want to ask, uh, Lyris to clarify. So are you saying that bad news can become good news? Because sometimes bad news is just, just bad.

Lyris (18:39):
Well, I think, well, It's not, I mean, there's always like the most cliche thing. Right? Everything happens for a reason or whatever or whatever. Right? Like heartbreaks always leads to an opportunity to grow. Like this is like the most cliche thing ever. But like, we all know it's kind of true in a sense, right. Because when we face a failure, I mean, like it is right. Like it doesn't make it like, not bad, It's not like it's good that that Happened to you, but there's always a silver lining and sense that, okay, I failed this test. This is really bad for me. But then I failed it now I learned to not to do something. Right. Yeah.

Jansen (19:13):
Like sometimes it's also to a point where, especially if you have faced a setback, I said, I'm, I sat back again and again, and then if you're like, okay, I've learned my lesson already. So why is this still happening to me? That kind of thing. Like, you know, sometimes bad news is just there to exist. Mm yeah. Yeah.

Lyris (19:32):
Well, I would say that, I would say that I agree with you in a certain extent, I think, especially when we're dealing, when we're talking to someone, right? Like we always have to be like, sometimes it just sucks. Like it it's, it's bad news. Like someone left you, someone broke up with you, right. This is bad News. You have to acknowledge that it is bad for you at this moment. Right. At this moment, it Is definitely bad news, but it doesn't mean that you cannot change tomorrow. It cannot change in two weeks or you cannot change like your perception of it. It doesn't Change. Right. I feel like, or like Even like five years looking back, you're like, okay, that thing was really bad for me at that moment. But now like, I'm so glad that it Happened in a sense. Right. I feel like it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

Calvin (20:15):
Yeah. And I think to add to that also like news, you're talking from different perspective. Right. Because right now we're always talking about like within yourself, but also like, you know, you know, let's say we expand it. Let's say again, using your, your analogy of someone breaking your heart. Oh yeah. It sucks for me. But maybe to that person would be like, oh my God, finally, I'm liberating. I don't have to be in this relationship anymore. That's great news for that person. You know what I mean? Maybe because maybe I'm a terrible person. I'm obsessive, I'm controlling and all that. So for that person will be like, oh my God finally get rid of this, like rubbish or whatever. So it depends, really depends on how you look at it. Right.

Melody (20:58):
And I think, I think one way to connect it back to what Jansen said is that, you know, all you can do is to keep planting seeds and you don't know what you're going to get, but you can try your best. But sometimes, you know, some of them will be rotten seed. Sometimes it will grow into something really ugly. You know, it's just how it is. But you know, you know, know that as you do it and as you do great, and as you try to find the best seed and plant the best seed and try to nurture it the best way possible, you'll hopefully one day turn into something good. I think it's just the whole idea of causality that, you know, as long as you put in the good work, you know, it will, it will come back.

Jansen (21:35):
It is what it is sometimes. Uh, the seed just sucks and then you don't need to blame your fertilizer. Don't need to blame your whole or your shovel or yourself. Just keep planting seeds. That's the most important thing.

Calvin (21:48):
But keep planting good seeds though I want to stress,

Jansen (21:52):
But you don't know that you don't know what, seed you are planting sometime. I've planted so many seeds they ain't growing.

Melody (21:59):
No, I think, I think it's also the past. Like, you don't know, you don't remember what you, what you planted. So now going forward, you know, pick the good seeds to plant, but yeah. Yeah. Jensen, what's your favorite scene?

New Speaker (22:11):
Okay. So a lot. Uh, so I think my scene, it's not really a scene, but I guess a concept of the dragons scroll within the entire movie. Right? So, uh, I remember I watched an analysis about this movie where they talk about, okay, so Kung Fu Panda, if it's a kid's movie, it can literally just be the good guy tries to prevent the bad guy from getting this magical item. And in movie terms is called a MacGuffin, a specific object or a symbol in a movie that everyone wants to fight for it. It could simply. So if it's a children's movie, the Viper could have done the easy, the easy thing. Maybe the villain can obtain the scroll for a while and then, oh, okay. Uh, he lost it. We defeated a bad guy and then a good guy gets it. And the balance is restored. But no, this movie actually revealed what is the dragon scroll and what's inside it. So the whole idea of the dragon scroll was really interesting to me. But I do want to ask you guys, what, what did you feel or why do you think the dragons scroll, what's important in the movie?

Calvin (23:21):
I guess, to get to that point, should we talk about how the dragon... I guess it's not really a spoiler, but like, you know how, uh, they w when they open up the dragon scroll, it's all, like, it's nothing in it. I think that that is a very important part to stress. It's not like any like new weapons or like new kung fu style or whatever. It's a plain blank. That's important. Yeah. But I guess to me, I guess that's the message, but basically, I dunno... To my understanding, you know, like they've been stressing it throughout the entire way, the entire time. It's like, oh, you really have to believe in yourself. Like at the end of the day, you'd be wanting to become a dragon warriors. You just need to believe in yourself. Believe that, believe that you're, that, you're that person.

Melody (24:05):
Wait, are you, are you referring, are you referring to the fact that when you, when, when, when Po opened it and he saw his reflection?

Calvin (24:17):
What the dragon scroll, I guess, symbolizes that really anything it's about having faith, having faith in yourself really believe that you can do that because it's all about, like, I guess it's kind of similar to Buddhism concept where you need to first believe in it fully, and then you will have the determination to achieve it. And then you will be able to execute it. You need to, like, those are the steps that you need to take, right? You need really need to believe in yourself. Believe in Buddhism, believe you can do this. And then you determine this is a goal that you want to go for it, achieve it, and then actually actually achieving it. So that's kind of like what I think that dragon scroll means.

Melody (24:58):
Hey, this is actually scientific. Cause I just learned this in positive psychology class that I'm taking. And apparently what apparently what, what defines motivation, like whether somebody has motivation, it's based on your desire, like how much you want it and also how much you think you'd be able to achieve it. So that's exactly what Calvin said. Right? So if I have to first believe it, you know, fully before you can be determined and execute on it. So I think, yay. That's pretty woke. This thing is connected to psychology too. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Well, but I personally don't, I mean, it's cool that you see it that way. I personally just thought it was more, um, the hinting of, you know, the fact that, you know, there is nothing like people constantly try to look for something else, you know, like for, for, for stuff like, oh, you know, it might be, you know, uh, luck is just not on my side. You're always trying to look for that external factor that contributes to it or that's missing or, or whatnot. But I think ultimately there's nothing. It's just you, whatever you need, it's already within you. It's, it's, it's up to you to nurture it. It's up to you to cultivate it. And I think that, I thought personally, I thought that was, that was the key.

Calvin (26:17):
I kind of believe in yourself then. I guess that was like the core idea because it's within you, right? Yeah.

Lyris (26:26):
I don't think I have a definitive interpretation of that. Actually. I have questions. Cause I, this is something that I always like, and I struggle with it's the idea of "the chosen one" or whether there is a thing as "the chosen one", because for the whole, like for the whole movie, right. It's, it's a deal of choosing the dragon master. It's like, we have to choose the person who has the ability or the chosen one, like the person who was born to do this. Right. So that means that it's not something that you achieve. Right. It's something that sort of, if you're the one that you're the one. Right. Kind of. So then I understand the idea of like, Like at last, like Po was the chosen One, but then at last, when he opens it, it's like, you don't need anything extra because you're already the chosen one. Then is the dragon master, like the dragon scroll, is it referring to Po, "you can do it, just be yourself because you're the chosen one" or can everyone take this Dragon scroll and be like, you can still do it because you're everyone. Do you know what I mean?

Melody (27:28):
I know. I think that completely makes sense. And I think that is the whole point of it because at one point when Po was no fighting Tai Lung and Po was like, you have it, and Tai Lung got it and he opened it and he still sees himself. So it's going to be the same whoever opens it and whoever reads it, it's going to say the same thing. So I don't think that is the idea of chosen one and on contrary, I think it's the opposite of it. It's every, it's the same for everybody.

Calvin (28:02):
I don't know. I see it differently because as you're talking about it. Well, basically, first of all, the Dragon scroll is always up there. No one's allowed to touch it but the dragon warriors, right. So Po is the chosen one. So he is the only one that can read it. But then the thing is also, you know, going back earlier, you know how like he's just kind of fall from the sky and then like Oogway kind of point at him. And then they're like, oh my God, why are you pointing at him? And then Oogway was like, well, there's no accident, right? Like it's no, there's no accident to why Oogway is pointing at somebody. And then he just kind of fall from the sky, appear right in front of him. It's no accident. So he is the chosen one. So I felt like, but then for him to actually believe in it, he needed to believe in himself to be able to do that first. And in a way, like we are all, I don't know, like we're all born to do something. We might, might be different. Everybody's do born to do different things, but we need to believe in herself to be able to achieve that thing first. So regardless, I think that like faith always come first. Like you need to believe in yourself first, regardless of what you are destined to do. Right.

Jansen (29:10):
I think for me, for me, I think that, uh, the question of why is he the chosen one? Maybe it was not properly explored in this movie, but they, uh, more or less addressed it in the second and third movie, I think briefly, it's basically about how, like in the second one, he achieved inner peace or something like that. Uh, but for this movie, I think, uh, why they they're leading for Po to be the dragon warrior is because he actually respects, like has this optimism, and like those of the other characters where even though the other characters are humiliating him, undermining him and his efforts, he still respects Shifu, he still respects the furious five. In fact, he has love the kung fu and enjoy kung fu since the beginning of the movie, when he played with all the little dolls and the action figures of the furious five. Uh, so I would say it's actually really similar to what Melody said, where it really shows the problem with having too much of a single, that single mindedness when you're achieving a goal, uh, in a sense that, yes, it's good to believe in yourself. It's good to have that focus and to work hard, to achieve a goal, but if you're doing so at the expense of others, yeah, you're going to be defined about what you do and not actually what you acquire, that kind of thing. So that's why Tai Lung desperately wants to get the dragon, the dragon scroll to prove that he is the dragon warrior, but then ultimately he goes on a rampage and then he gets thrown in jail. So unlike the other, unlike Tai Lung, so the Po and the furious five of the actually enjoy Kung Fu, you know, they don't really care necessarily about the dragon scroll. They just see kung fu as a way of life. They are the next stage. Then they acquire that kind of mentality.

Melody (31:04):
Yeah. I think that's an interesting point too, because I think that are they called the fab five?

Calvin (31:09):
Furious, furious five!

Melody (31:18):
No, but they were actually upset. Remember, like they were super angry at the fact that Po was chosen and especially the tiger. And she was like, dude, like why, why did they not choose somebody who actually knows kung fu and whatnot? So I feel like they were actually sad. And I think that actually brought up another good point too, is that when you're so obsessed with this one goal, it actually creates a lot of misery for you because Po was like whatever. You know, if, you know, someone told Po that, oh, you're not the dragon warrior. He's not going to be, you know, one tad bit being upset. But then because these people really wanted this and this became this one goal that they're obsessive over, um, they actually got very upset

Jansen (32:04):
And then you can actually see it in Tai Lung. So one of the actual scene, which is my favorite, but kind of irrelevant to until this point is the jail escape scene where, you know, when we get introduced to Tai Lung, he's underneath a giant rock and then he has to go up to the cabin. And then fight I don't know how many warriors to get out. So I guess that's a good thing. Like it can show you the good thing about, uh, accomplishing a goal, even though it's for a nefarious intention. However, at the end, the final battle scene where it's more important where we see, uh, both Oogway and Po utilize the single-mindedness of Tai Lung to achieve that goal, they knew how to anticipate his movements, they knew what he was going to try to do, and they could attack and defend and, uh, control in a sense his actions to kind of protect other people, protect the city and et cetera.

Calvin (32:58):
But I dunno. I do think you really, you know, going back to how the Dragon Scroll means you need believe in yourself and be determined and all that. I don't know, like in a way, I think you still need to be believing yourself, be very determined, maybe to a point with single-mindedness and then you like work towards your goal. But I think to tie back to whatever we said before about that you losing control is you don't have control over everything, the external factor where you will get it or whatever, you can only control your actions. So you need to learn to let go of it. But I think you still need to have that single-mindedness to keep going to that stage and then be like, okay, you know what, now I've done my part. I don't have control over all the external factors. I can control what I do and let go of it. That's how I see.

Lyris (33:46):
I agree. And also, but this is just, I guess this is more of like a reality thing in a sense that like, especially when the goal and when we talk about like having one specific goal and like what, like helps me to be more calm, but also to keep myself motivated. It's how you set the goal and what kind of goal you want to say, like, instead of a very specific goal of, I want to be the dragon master, it's kind of more of an idea, right? Like, like to think that, why do you want to be a dragon master, right? Is it because you love Kung fu? Is it because you want to save lives? Is it because you want to like, keep the legacy going? So then you're not so fixated on that specific thing. Right? So if the tigers, right. If she, yeah... the reason why she wants to be the dragon master, because she wants Kung fu to keep going, she, she thinks that it's a lifestyle. She should be happy. Even if she wasn't the dragon master, she should be happy that she was like in another way that she didn't anticipate, help this goal to keep going. Does that make sense? Do you know what I mean? Like, it's the idea, it's the idea or the message, but you never, you can never control what role you play in it, but you just have to have that wish of like good intent. And then,

Calvin (35:01):
You know, and to tie everything back to like the very beginning to in order to have that, I guess to understand you don't have control, whatever, whatever, is that you need to let the water settle so that you can find yourself, you find that inner peace so that, you know, then therefore it kind of ties everything together. You know what I mean?

Melody (35:21):
I have one more, one more way to tie it. You know, Lyris said it's all about the intention. Like, think about why you want to be dragon warrior. And that thought, that cause, that why, is the, the seed that you plant in it. Because if you plant, you plant that, right. If you plant the right mindset, if you're planted a seed of the right reason, the right why, then you come into fruition the way you want it.

Jansen (36:03):
I like what Lyris said the evaluation of what are your goals for the purpose of your goals, really good and very interesting tie ups. I remember when we came out of the movie theater, uh, my parents and I, then my mom kept asking me, why do you think Po has a duck for a father? And then there you go kung fu Panda 2, was a few years later, kung fu Panda 2 came out.

Melody (36:34):
What? I don't remember. Should we do 2? It's just an excuse for me.

Jansen (36:37):
Maybe we'll do 2, you know, audience, let us know if you want to hear more about that.

Melody (36:44):
Just give me an excuse to rewatch it.

Jansen (36:47):
2 is really good. I think 2 is better than 1. I think there's a debate.

Calvin (36:50):
[sing] Two~~ is better than one~~~

Melody (36:55):
Okay, great way to wrap up! Bye guys!